May 16, 2020
Bill McCleskey 0:00 [Opening line]
Right. That's why we're here. We're actually existing here because somebody didn't give up. We have a responsibility, I believe to take advantage of these opportunities and just blow them out the water make that impact.
Jahmal Abbott 0:12
Hey, what's up? This is Jamal Abbott. Thanks for tuning in. We got a special guest here today really excited about this young man. He might be actually a couple years older than me, but I'm really, really excited. We're already really excited to have bill on the show somebody that I've been looking up to and just can't wait for him to share his wisdom and knowledge for everybody here. So Bill, if you can just introduce yourself and tell us what we're all about.
Bill McCleskey 0:49
Yeah, definitely, man. Appreciate the opportunity. Bill McCleskey here. And I'm an entrepreneur. You know, I'm the guy who you know, went to school, went to college and got out and got a job and realized that I was not fit to be working a job, I needed to work for myself because I wanted to make my own decisions. But most importantly, I wanted to have unlimited potential in income that I earned. So I started companies, you know, very early in my early 20s, even in college had a had a side business. But recently, about six and a half years ago, I started a company called Mitech Partners.
And Mitech is a telecommunications firm, we help businesses nationwide shop for internet voice and TV service between over 100 carriers. And so we'd like to call ourselves the Expedia.com of telecommunications. we simplify that process. So businesses don't have to call the big cable company or the big phone company, and they can streamline those processes. But we're excited about, you know, the things that we're doing at Mitech, and I'm also excited about a new company I started recently called The Grind Includes Friday, TGIF, and that's a personal development and professional development company for entrepreneurs. You know, we coach To help entrepreneurs through content and other programs on how to push through, you know, their perceived limitations or how to crush their goals and make money. So we're excited about some things we got coming up here with TGIF as well.
Jahmal Abbott 2:15
Awesome. Yeah, thanks for the introduction there. So yeah, one of the questions I typically ask people, especially during this time with COVID, and coming into 2020, I know that you have some plans set in place on how 2020 was going to look like then this this big shift happened with COVID. So how has this affected your plan, if at all, and what moves Have you made since this time that we're dealing with?
Bill McCleskey 2:40
Yeah, yeah, definitely. So you know, our plans I'm gonna tell you tomorrow so our plan for 2020 you know, we had our goals we had our revenue goals and then we always back revenue goes up by activity so you know, what our activity goes like what what type of, you know, traction or penetration or engagement Are we going to have with potential Customers potential referral partners and vendors and things like that. So we had those activity goals set.
And I'm going to tell you the activity goes did not change, you know, at all, you know, I told my team, I said, Listen, we may change the message, but we're still going to knock out these activity goes, we're going to call so many people a day, we're going to do our email, marketing strategy, you know, every single week, we're going to do the same thing. Now the message changes, because instead of, you know, saying, Hey, we got some some great, you know, telecom services for you that can solve these problems. You know, we're not just coming out the gate with that we're saying, Hey, listen, how you doing? How's COVID-19 affecting your business? And and what opportunities are you uncovering?
Because what we found is that you know, that this pandemic is affecting or impacting people differently. We do a lot of business on hospitality, for example. So we've got about 100 Hotel customers. So you know, the travel industry was hit really hard. And hotels, you know, I had a hotel owners on the phone with me, you know, almost crying like, Hey, I got to shut down my business and all this other stuff. And then I had other hotel clients, they were excited. They were buying new hotels, they were calling us saying, Hey, we just bought a new property, I need you to quote out the internet and TV service, but it's probably and we just I just got an email this morning, man. From a guy at Hotel quality in Oxford, Alabama. He's saying, Hey, we're ready to move forward and get the updated pricing for fiber internet and TV service and phone service for our hotel. So I mean, it's you got it depends on who you're talking to. Right?
And that's just a matter of where what position were they in before COVID-19 hit, right? Were you really ready for a pandemic? Or were you already on edge? Right? But I think that we're trying to figure out okay, where are you right now based on this pandemic, okay, because some people's businesses as far as in big time, some people's businesses are really not impacted. And then some people just like below zero, so we're gonna meet you where you are, you know, so the clients that are below zero and they have to shut down, you know, we're doing whatever we can and bending over backwards to help them, you know, in terms of how we relate to them with the services that we offer.
And also just just being friends to them, you know, having that relationship with them and saying, Hey, you know, here's some resources that you can use, we're sending out links and things like that to help them with the SBA PPP loan and the the idea alone and all this other stuff, right. So it's not just about telecom and business, so we're trying to help. But if your business is doing well, if you're flourishing, if you if you blow it up, you are essential, and you stuff is going through the roof, like we're there for you too.
So, I mean, there are some customers, we have to help them go remote, we had a small call center, and we had to help all their employees go remote. So we had to set them up on a brand new platform Voice over IP and also the stuff so I mean, it's just things like that, man. We're meeting people where They are and but our activity has not changed. In fact, I think it's stepped up.
Jahmal Abbott 6:04
I like what you said to like that you change the message, but you're not changing the approach to how you're going out there and then trying to make things happen for your business as well as other businesses. I think that's, that's good that you're actually doing that take take me back a little bit further here. So I read your book, get off your assets. So it was a great book, very inspirational. And you have talked about a business that you had started there previously. And I'm just curious, what lessons did you learn from that experience? And how have you taken those lessons and apply that moving forward with your current company and then what you're probably going to be doing here in the next few years and decades to come?
Bill McCleskey 6:40
Sure. So I had a company called before I started Mitech I had a company called soul lounge, and soul nouns was a lot of fun and I'm telling you just didn't make any money right? over an extended period of time but no sold as we promoted concerts and it started with just me promoting an independent bands in Nashville. No a BB kings locally here every Sunday night had this event called sold out and it just blew up like people love to come sold out every Sunday night you know we pack out BB kings and, and feature bands and have open mic and a DJ and all this stuff.
And we would promote it online, you know Facebook and Twitter and all that. And people started other venues started hitting me up from different cities and said hey, can you bring soul out here? Can you bring soul out here? And I was like, Is this an event you can do it yourself, you know? But then somebody told me you know, they want you to do it. This could be a money opportunity. So I started bringing soul nouns to other cities man, Atlanta, Huntsville, Memphis, Louisville, you know, as far north as is Brooklyn, New York and and then we went as far as South i think is Huntsville, Alabama. But it kind of blew up man.
We were in 20 plus cities and we started touring national acts, too. So I got some investors and we started doing these national show national you know, major country certs and what I really learned from that was, um, you know, in business you really have to work to eliminate the risk. Okay? And and I was so exposed, you know, in that business, you know, because you know promoting constants are very risky business if people don't show up, guess what, you still got to pay the artists and the venue and marketing their hotel rooms and all this stuff travel. So, you know, I would try to get sponsors and I had a little success getting sponsors, because what the big promoters do is they get, you know, sponsors to pay for everything in the ticket sales is gravy. I never got there, right? Cuz I'm just a little independent company. But man, I remember, you know, one month I made 30 grand and next month I gave it all back, you know, plus some. So it was just this up and down roller coaster. And I said we got to figure out how to eliminate the risk. You know, how can I win no matter what I I may win big I may win a little but you know The last is actually winning a little How can I get there. And so the last month I was really full time with so allowance I lost about 30 grand. And I write about that in my book and I was depressed for like a day. And then the next day I was depressed for half a day. And then I slowly came out of that like intentional depression, I was just in the bed and just like, Oh my gosh, was me.
And I say, I got to figure out what to do. So I ended up getting a job I was like, I gotta get a job. And I knew I always had sales job so I was like, I got to get a sales job and and where I can make unlimited money almost like I can make a ton of money and pay this debt back because I owe everybody and and in working in Comcast is really a blessing. And that's why you know, the book you mentioned, Get off Your Assets. It's really a spiritual book.
You know, a lot of people say it's a business book, but for me, it's a spiritual book. Because, you know, now that I look back, had my hair sold, I was never flopped. I never would have worked at Comcast and I never would have started Mitech right. No, no You look back at the journey and you say, Okay, this was supposed to happen because I took everything I learned. So when I got to Comcast, I was an amazing networker. And I was able to build relationships really quick a rapport and have good people trust me and get to connect the dots and get things moving really quick.
But I learned that from soul nouns because I had to call all these promoters and other cities, you know, connect with over the phone, get them to trust me get venue owners to trust me, who is this guy called from Nashville, Tennessee, who wants to come to Brooklyn to do a show? Right? But I mean, we went there did the show packed it out and the owner was like, when you come back, right, right. able to do that, because I was great at building these relationships.
So when I got to Comcast, I'm like building relationships is my thing. And and so Comcast, you know, was a super easy job to me and I was able to make six figures and pay off my debt and then get rolling again. But what I noticed that Comcast, I said, Oh, these people pay these bills every month number one, okay. I noticed that at Comcast. You know, people need their internet, people need, you know, phone service and TV service for a business. These are essential services, at least the phone and internet, right? Oh, I knew, I said, I need to be selling an essential service. And the other thing I liked about it was these are recurring services like you pay for them, you never pay them off. It's not like a car where you can eventually pay the car off or the house off or whatever.
So I said, Man, if I could get a piece of this bill every month, the problem with being an employee was, you know, I only got a one time commission, working at Comcast, I sold deals, I blew out my quote every month, they pay me well, but I never got the residual income or the recurring commission. So I had to start my own business to do that. So once I figured out how to do that, I said, Okay, I got it. I'm out. I'm eliminating risk because I'm getting paid every month. And these are essential services. So that was really key to me in kind of the transition there.
Jahmal Abbott 11:56
One thing that I think about too, when when you're talking talking about your experience, doing the event promoting and then what you're doing now with with Mitech and then even what you're learning through Comcast was is this part about building relationships. So I'm a big fan of like relationship building right now. And as I'm on my own entrepreneurial journey, I realized that you can't really get a whole lot of places if people don't like you. If they don't like you, they're not gonna want to buy from you. They're not gonna pay for your service. No, that's, that's something that I've really taken away since I've been on this journey. So if you can just talk a little bit more about how somebody, let's just say somebody is maybe introverted, or maybe it's not all that outgoing. How do they work on maybe getting that confidence to really start making relationships and making connections with other people?
Bill McCleskey 12:49
Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, the thing the way I think you grow in that area is about doing it, you know, I mean, it's just like, how does a baby learn to walk you know, they didn't They get up, they fall down and get back up. Because anything you if you're an introvert, if somebody considers themselves an introvert, that means you like being yourself or you cool with being in solitude and you're not really outgoing and flamboyant. But if you know that that's something that you a skill that you need to develop, just got to start doing it, you know, and are you gonna screw up sometimes? Is it gonna feel awkward? Are you gonna look weird?
Yeah, you are, you know, just get over it. But it's kind of like riding a bike. You know, it's kind of like swimming, you know? Because I remember one time I was telling somebody the other week when I when I was in with the bullies a couple of times when I was in college on some missionary trips, and we had this whole day in Belize, where it was just fun time, right? So we went to the beach, and that there was some instructors teaching us how to snorkel. So you know, they would they would say, okay, you know, here's your your mouthpiece and you put this in, he put your goggles on, and you put your what's called what's the things you put on your feet, you know, you're flapping and and And they tell us all these rules and the procedure.
And now we know how to snort. And actually we don't because all they did was give us information. Like we actually have to get into water, right? How to snorkel. So and and, and I know how to swim very well, but it's kind of hard like holding this in. And then the first time I'm getting water in my mouth, and the water gets in my car, something like that. But after three, four times, I started getting the hang of it. And after an hour, I'm a pro. Right?
And that's the same thing. Like you just got to get out there and start building relationships. But but but the kicker is, I think that people don't understand how to network. You know, I thought about writing a book on how to how to network, but but but networking to me is kind of something you mentioned, people got to like you, right? So you have to understand people like why why do people like other folks, people like people that are like what themselves? Right? So people like people that are like themselves? So figure out, you know how to add value number one and figure out how to get people to like you, you know, and, and but you have to do it in a genuine way, you know, you have to really figure out, Hey, what is this person trying to accomplish and all that good stuff, but you know, so for example, if I go to a networking event, or if I want to connect with somebody, I'm always trying to figure out how I can help them how I can add value to that person, right or that organization.
And then my goal is always in 24 hours to add value to that person. Okay? So that could be sending them a referral, they could be making an introduction, that could be sending them a link to an article that may, you know, be interesting to them, inviting them to an event something, I'm going to add value to that person and I'm and while I'm talking to them, I'm gonna ask them questions to give me some intel so that I can add value so and I teach my team to do that now to like in 24 hours, like add value right? right away because now Now you stand out amongst everybody else because everybody else is like, hey, let's meet, let's get together.
Hey, do you need my service? Hey, do you know somebody that needs my service? And, you know, it's not about that. It's like, yo, how can I help you? Because you we all have those people that when they call us, we look at the caller ID and we're like, Okay, I'm not answering that. Right. And then we have people that when they call us, we're like, yo, that's probably gonna be a valuable call. Let me let me catch that Right, right. Oh, I mean, that's the person you want to be you want to be the person when you show up on call ID you know that folks are answering your call because you're going
Jahmal Abbott 16:34
Alright, so on entrepreneurship. And I can tell bill you you really enjoy yourself. You're having lots of fun. Can you just talk a little bit more about why this is so much more fun compared to what you're doing with your corporate nine to five job in the past?
Bill McCleskey 16:50
Hey, man, I don't get it twisted, though. I have fun working in Comcast. Because, you know, Comcast was outside sales. job so we never had to go into office. The only thing I didn't like about Comcast was they started micromanaging me. And I just couldn't make as much money. You know, they had an income, you know, cap, right. And I kept changing the rules, but I'm having so much more fun because I get to write the script, you know, I get to write the script. And, and I think that not to get too deep, but I did mention my book, get off your assets. It's like a spiritual book, because it's about my journey, right? It's about my spiritual or my entrepreneurial journey, and really discovering that, hey, everything that I needed was already within me, that's why I need to get off my assets, right and start using them.
So the fact that I get to determine, you know, what i what i can do next, you know, even just like you know, starting Mitech and then trying some things within Mitech and then starting TheGrindIncludesFriday.com that, that stemmed off of Mitech because I started doing these videos for our referral partners every week. Because our referral partners are a lot of it consultants and I found out that they needed help sell it, right? Well, they needed help communicating they needed help with with a salespersons mindset, right?
They had a good skill set and technology, but they didn't know how to engage your customers and stuff like that. So I started doing these videos, and then they started loving them. And I started doing more of them every week, and I just called it The Grind Includes Friday, and they started sharing them online. But that actually turned into a whole company, right? Because I realized, hey, our referral partners don't just need this, I don't want to just add value to them and help their business although when I help them and helps us grow, I can help other industries right, I can help other salespeople other entrepreneurs.
So that was really key. Um, but but when I think back on the the comparison, you know, between working at the Comcast or working at nine to five, every time I tried to do something a little different, it was shut down. I remember going to my boss right when I worked at my previous job. I said Listen, I'm getting these referrals every week from like two or three guys and they're, they're just it consultants. I said I want to go after more it consultants because that's going to you know build up my referral engagement. Yeah my boss was like no don't do that because that's not duplicatable I'm like what and this is a guy he makes he makes more money the more successful I am right he gets out on my commissions and I told him some other stuff I was doing he was like why are you doing that I'm like cuz I'm making money right?
But you know is the difference is man I can be led by by you know what I see as valuable what adds value to other people and then I can go I can run with it so that's why it's so fun to me man and you're gonna make mistakes. You're gonna you're gonna falter but you learn from you get back up, you keep pushing.
Jahmal Abbott 19:51
So I want to transition here just a little bit. You're definitely you're definitely a mentor. You're definitely somebody that loves to share and it's not holding back I want to know if you could talk to some some of the younger entrepreneurs out there, especially folks that are like minority, right? So the one thing that I've noticed is that there there wasn't a whole lot of people of color in the technology space, especially since I went to the Air Force and just been in different environments. I was mainly that that may minority and there might have been some other individuals, you know, in the company or in the organization, but not too many people that look like me. So if if you can talk to the young entrepreneur, maybe somebody that's looking to get into tech, what what advice or what what would you tell them about this opportunity that you're currently in right now?
Bill McCleskey 20:41
Well, it to me it's a level playing field, you know, it's an absolute level playing field. You know, this country is a trip because there's a crazy history, you know, and and when I first started my company, man, you know, I would walk into rooms as well and I'd be the only African American in the room right or African American male in the room and this, this was, you know, a technology events or technology, networking events or trade shows or conferences. And fortunately, you know, the way I was the way I grew up, you know, I always went to predominantly white schools anyway, except for college, I went to HBCU college, but Fisk University, but you know, junior high high school, I went to predominately white school.
So when I would go to these events, I wouldn't necessarily, like, fill out a place. And I think that, um, I think that the energy that I gave off, said that, you know, I felt like I was supposed to be there, you know, I literally did, and I felt like sometimes people were kind of standoffish, you know, I felt like people kind of look past me, or took me for granted, maybe initially, at least, but you know, I'm not tripping on that. Because I know, I know our history. You know, I know this country. So I'm just going to, you know, take advantage of the opportunity.
So I'm in an organization right now called the To Entrepreneurs Organization is, you know, it's an international group, very prestigious entrepreneur group. And there's chapters all over the world. The Nashville chapter is the biggest chapter in the country, the firt, the largest chapter in the world is in Tokyo, and then Mumbai. And then Nashville is the third largest in the world. So, but the organization has, I mean, the National chapter has about 250 members, four of them are black, you know, and guess what, when we go to meetings, and we do this, I mean, I mean, look, I know I'm one of the few black folks in the room.
But I think that is is is valuable, man is absolutely valuable in so many ways. You know, number one, sometimes I'm probably the only exposure or you know, reasonable access to some of these people have a black person, believe it or not. So I think it's I think it's important for me to communicate with right And be on point. But for folks wanting to get in tech is over. I mean, the opportunity is absolutely amazing. I think that if you can produce, companies don't care, you know, at the end of the day, and and they they want you to produce they want you they want to drive results. And now companies are getting paid, basically, or NGOs, they can pay but there's an initiative there's the diversity initiative, right.
So companies want to hire people of color they want to hire put more women in positions in technology. So let's take advantage of you know, let's take advantage of it. You know, I always tell people, the way to get the conversation about reparations comes up. The way to get your reparations is to be an entrepreneur, right. reparations is to take advantage of opportunity when you see it like if companies want to hire people of color. Let's let's take advantage of that companies are giving contracts to minority business. says, Let's take advantage of it, right? Because, you know, think about the people who paved the way for us. And not just in business but period.
You know, Harriet Tubman could have said I'm giving up, right? I'm not going back down and you know, helping other people become free, right. But our ancestors didn't give up. They could have jumped off the slave ship, but they did. Right. That's why we're here. We're actually existing here because somebody didn't give up. So we have a responsibility, I believe, to take advantage of these opportunities and and just blow them out the water make that impact.
Jahmal Abbott 24:33
So talk about your latest personal development project. You talked about The Grind Includes Friday, you also have a challenge out there to hit seven, help people hit seven figures by 2025 correct?
Bill McCleskey 24:45
Jahmal Abbott 24:46
So can you can you just talk a little bit more about that because I'm interested and I don't wanna say I think this is crazy, but I really like the idea and then I just want you to share that with the audience with what's going on here with this.
Bill McCleskey 24:58
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, so so when I wrote my book, Get off Your Assets, that book, I was really passionate -- I've always wanted to be an author, okay. But I also didn't just want to write a book just just for the sake of saying, I got a book. The reason I wrote that book, is because I had reached a certain level of success in my business with Mitech. And I learned so much about myself. And I felt so passionate about that journey and what I learned about me and about, you know, the journey itself, I said, Man, I gotta share this with people, you know. And at that point, I would, I would talk to entrepreneurs, often only maybe a few times a week, and I will just share, you know, my story with and I'm like, yo, you can do this like you You actually have everything that it takes to do this.
Because when I thought when I started my company, I thought I needed to raise money. I thought I needed all these contacts. I thought I needed other resources, and a certain skill set, and I didn't like what I needed to do was trust my gut. What I needed to do was get out here and work What I need to do was use what I already had, right? And continue to develop it. And I think everybody can relate to that message. Right? So that's why I wrote the books I wanted to get that message out. And and so the message about helping 100 entrepreneurs build a seven figure business is really key because that's what I did. I set a goal, my first financial goal was to match my income from my previous job. So I was making about, you know, 130 grand a year at Comcast. I said, Man, if I could match my income, that'll be amazing to me, right? Because now I got same income, but I'll have to work for somebody else. Right, right. But after one year, I realized, you know what, this thing is crazy, like match my income. That ain't enough. Right?
So my goal then was to build a million dollar company and, and God's my witness that's what we did. Like we built a seven figure business, never raised money, you know, made a ton of mistakes. Making mistakes. But at the end of the day, we build a roadmap, we build a system and I'm always you know, developing kind of tweaking our systems and processes. Because I want to teach them right and I want them to be duplicatable and and so that's what TheGrindIncludesFriday.com is about what this challenge for us, you know, helping 100 entrepreneurs create a seven figure business is as I think very doable. Like if I did it, I tell people all the time, like y'all just don't understand. I was the class clown in school like I was the guy.
Like I used to get suspended man was given class and, and busted in on the substitute teacher and I will start teaching the class like stupid, like in high school, right? I mean, I would, uh, you know, I graduated number last in my class, you know, there's about 120 people my senior class I was number 120. Okay, so what's crazy about it is I remember as a senior in high school, Do I remember thinking, Okay, on this test, I'm really going to apply myself, okay? To see if I do well. And I would study hard. And I would actually do well, I would Ace the test. And I remember thinking to myself, okay, I'm smart, if I apply myself now back to being lazy, like literally, I was like, I ain't working at heart, like he's been working hard all time.
I don't even study and I get to see, you know what I mean? So that that was my mindset. But then, you know, when I got to college, it was totally different. I wanted to do super well in college. And so that's how I got with my business. You know, I just, I just buckled down. I said, let me let me become a student, right, a business of entrepreneurship of my industry, how this thing works, right?
And a student of myself and a student of my mind, right. And so those are the things that I share, like in some of our sales bootcamp courses that we do. And in the new online course that we've created, it's called seven steps, seven figures, seven steps to seven figures, but but the first Part of that is is really about mindset. It's about psychology. It's about developing a new identity.
Because I guarantee you, man, that's what I had to do when I started hanging around people who were making more money. I all of a sudden started seeing myself as one of them. I was like, Yo, I'm a millionaire, too, right? I got a million dollar company too my company was just like, $300,000 at the time, right? But, yo, so it took it took time. It doesn't happen overnight, but I had to change my identity. So that's what I go through in the course because I think anybody can, man I talk to people. I'm gonna give an example man, one of my home girls.
We work in the same office building. It's a big co working spot called entrepreneur Center here in Nashville. And and she started a staffing company. Probably three years ago, two and a half, three years ago. Last year, she made $5,000 last year, okay, this year, her monthly revenue is about $12,000 a month.
Jahmal Abbott 29:59
Bill McCleskey 30:00
I started working with her last year and she was so stubborn I said, Look, you want to make money because she would always come up and talk to me Hey, what should I do about this? What should I do about that? And we would have these coaching sessions I said, Look, you have business to make money What are you doing? And and we went through all these you know, different processes and conversations. And man, I'm telling you this this girl is killing it. She booked -- fish University is one of her clients. She's a staffing company for IT candidates.
So, but she just brought on a client Dollar General. Dollar General is the largest employer in the state of Tennessee, and I know they got locations all over the country, but I mean, so she's gonna be filling spots for Dollar General. You know, she already built a six figure business she's gonna she's gonna build a seven figure business, but but I know a ton of people like that. I know a ton of people like that and they're either not making money or they're just making six figures and, and sometimes people get satisfied.
They're like, Hey, I'm making $200 thousand I'm good, right? I'm like, you could be making $200,000 a month, right? If that's so, um, I just think, man, hey, I want if you want to get there, I want to help people get there. And our online course is really the start of that. And the cool thing about our course, is it's not just the online course. It comes with a community of entrepreneurs, because I know that when I started my company, I was so lonely at first, right? And then when I got with a community of entrepreneurs, I held me accountable. So we have an accountability group. You're a part of that. Jahmal, recently, we have, you know, a speaker series. So with this, I'm only bringing in my buddies who got seven figure businesses right to get involved in the speaker series. We're doing group coaching, and it's a process like so all of this is included because the course itself man, most people it's like reading a book you most people who buy a book. statistics say they only read they read Less than 15% of the book, right?
So I think that a lot of times entrepreneurs, we have the information or we have access to the information, but that's not enough. You need to be held accountable. And you need to have the engagement, right, the constant engagement to help you along the way. So that's what, that's how I want to help folks hit hit seven figures in a business. All right, that's what I'm talking about.
Jahmal Abbott 32:22
Yes, sir. I would like to be there too.
Bill McCleskey 32:25
Let's go! Let's get there!
Jahmal Abbott 32:28
Alright Bill so we're pretty much out of time and I really thank you for taking this opportunity to share and just to drop some nuggets, I definitely learned a lot from our conversation. And if people want to learn more about you, where can they go to find you and go ahead and leave your social media websites, anything else that you want to add? Yeah.
Bill McCleskey 32:50
You can generally find all information about me at my websites BillMcCleskey.com. That's B-i-l-l-M-c-C-l-e-s-k-e-y.com. But you can also go to TheGrindIncludesFriday.com just spell everything out, TheGrindIncludesFriday.com. And here here's my ask man, if I had one ask today, go to Facebook or in fact, let me just give you another website. Go to TGIFwithBill.com. And that takes you right to our TGIF Facebook Group, join the Facebook Group and you can see everything that we got going on with TGIF so, TGIFwithBill.com check it out. We'd love to engage with you and connect.
Jahmal Abbott 33:35
Alright, appreciate it. We'll include the links into the show notes. And yeah, we got you covered there. So Bill, thanks again for your time. And good luck to you. And pretty sure we'll be here talking soon.
Bill McCleskey 33:48
All right, man, appreciate you. Thanks for the opportunity.